How would you best compare his skills to modern players? Its hard to find much film of him playing, he just wasn't around long as a superstar. He seems like a guy who was very good at pretty much every aspect of impacting the game though, but his offensive box score doesnt stand out (relatively) in a vacuum

When two, three, or even four siblings play in the NBA at the same time, one is almost always outshined by their brother, or brothers. Typically, the less notable player is far worse, like Mychel Thompson, brother of Klay Thompson and son of Mychal Thompson, who played 5 games in his entire career.

However, there are cases where the lesser-known guy is a solid player in their own right, if not the superior player. Some of these (in ascending order by ppg) include:

Jon Barry (14 seasons, 5.7ppg), part of the Barry family which includes Rick, Brent, and Drew Barry.
Shandon Anderson (10 seasons, 7.4ppg), younger brother of Willie Anderson.
Harvey Grant (11 seasons, 9.9ppg), twin of Horace Grant.
Wesley Person (11 seasons, 11.2ppg), younger brother of Chuck Person.
Albert King (9 seasons, 12.1ppg), younger brother of Bernard King.
Gerald Wilkins (13 seasons,13.0ppg ), younger brother of Dominique Wilkins.
Ray Williams (10 seasons, 15.5ppg), younger brother of Gus Williams.

Two of these cases stand out to me the most ,though, and for two very different reasons:

George Gervin is one of the most famous NBA players of all time, and was in the NBA 75 list. However, up until 30 minutes ago, I never knew that he had a brother, or that his brother played in the NBA. Derrick Gervin, born March 28, 1963 (almost 11 years after George), played only 2 seasons in the NBA, but averaged a solid 8.8 points. His greatest success came after leaving the NBA, as he was a 2x scoring leader and 1x MVP of the Israeli Premier League. Of everyone mentioned here, Derrick is the only player who I had never heard of, or seen mentioned anywhere online at all.

Jim Paxson was a 2x all-star and 1x all-nba player in the early 80s. Between 1980 and 1987, he averaged over 17ppg. Despite these numbers, when most people think of Paxson, they think of John Paxson, his younger brother. I'd presume this is because of his role in the early part of the Bulls dynasty, but it's still odd considering how good Jim was during his prime.

Was John a solid player? Certainly. Was John better than Jim? Hell no.

Jim did get photographed with LBJ though, and John never has been from what I know, so that is something ig:

At least in my opinion, I think the 1980's was the golden age for defense at the Guard position in the NBA. When thinking about all of the fantastic perimeter defenders throughout that decade, who do you consider to be the best of the bunch? My personal vote goes to Dennis Johnson. For anyone that's interested, here's a post that I made a few months back where I thoroughly explained why I think DJ is the greatest defensive Guard of all-time. Feel free to check it out if you want to learn more about him. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

Top Row: Dennis Johnson, TR Dunn, Michael Ray Richardson, Michael Cooper

Middle Row: Maurice Cheeks, Sidney Moncrief, Fat Lever, Derek Harper

Bottom Row: John Stockton, Alvin Robertson, Michael Jordan, Joe Dumars

11 NBA seasons, all with the Milwaukee/St. Louis Hawks
1955 Rookie of the Year
2× NBA MVP (1956, 1959)
2× scoring champion
11× All-Star
10× All-NBA First Team
4× All-Star Game MVP
1958 NBA champion
50 points in the title-clinching Game 6 of the 1958 Finals
First player in NBA history to reach 20,000 career points
Hall of Fame, NBA 75th Anniversary Team

One of the defining players of the NBA’s first great era. RIP legend

Please share your memories and thoughts. This screenshot is from a youtube video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-5pS1PnNGo titled "Celtics @ Lakers 1985 NBA Finals Game 5 (NBA On CBS)" I vaguely remember Kurt because I was a Sonics fan and very young back then. How do you guys and gals remember him? He sticks in my mind for some reason.

K.C. Jones and Jerry West are widely regarded as being the two best perimeter defenders from the 1960’s decade. When comparing them head-to-head, who do you think was more impactful on that end of the court? In very general terms, I think it’s fair and accurate to say that Jones was better on-ball and West was better off-ball. Jones was more of a man-to-man lockdown type of defender and West was more of a ball thief. I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts! 

Really holds back how much hes remembered today. Just a couple years as an elite player, freak athlete. Its easy to see why MJ took inspiration from him.

In its classic* form (Tex Winter) and Phil Jackson it yielded 9 rings. (It was created by coach Sam Barry).

In its classic form with Coach Tim Cone in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) it yielded 18 titles in 22 years.

In its hybrid form with Kerr and Golden State it yielded 4 rings.

**In hybrid form with Alex Hannum's 67, 76ers winning 1 ring.

**In hybrid form with Bill Sharman 71 Lakers winning 1 ring.

In its hybrid form in the PBA with the same Coach it yielded 7 additional titles.

So 15 in the NBA & 26 in the PBA.

If not, what else?

If so what system might be second?

Edit: *changed the word from pure to classic

Edit: **Added two additional teams, that I originally was not aware of.

This is a Cross post from r/NBAtalk.

I always read that if he wouldve made at least 1 free throw (and essentially winning the game ) that the Magic would’ve had a chance to beat Houston in the finals that year . I know those misses and that loss destroyed any confidence they had for the remainder of the series but what if they would’ve won game 1? I believe they swept the season series against the Rockets but obviously the playoffs are a different beast . I’ll admit I didn’t watch the rest of the series but did they have no chance against the Rockets ?

I’m a Pistons fan who was born after Tripucka’s era, and the more I look into his career, the more fascinating I find it.

Tripucka was a two-time All-Star and averaged 20+ PPG in five different seasons, including 26.5 PPG in 1982-83. Looking back at some game footage, I was impressed by how well he moved without the ball, how quickly he recognized mismatches, and how polished his jump shot looked.

One thing I’m trying to understand is how he was viewed at the time. Today, when people see a high-scoring player on a mediocre team, they’re often labeled an “empty stats” guy. Was that Tripucka’s reputation in Detroit, or was he generally seen as a legitimate offensive star?

I’m also curious about what happened in Utah. After being traded from Detroit, he played fewer than 25 minutes per game in his first season with the Jazz, and by his second season he was coming off the bench and playing fewer minutes than Bob Hansen. Was this simply a matter of Utah trying to balance minutes between Darrell Griffith, Hansen, and Tripucka, or was there something else going on?

For those who watched him play during the 1980s, how good was Kelly Tripucka really? Was he viewed as an All-Star caliber scorer who happened to play on rebuilding teams, or more as a player whose numbers exceeded his overall impact?

In 1986 the Sixers won the 1st pick in the NBA draft lottery and were a team that had an up and coming superstar in Charles Barkley and solid HOF vets in Barkley and Moses. Then in 1 of the dumbest moves in league history they traded both Moses and the #1 pick away. The Cavs ended up using the pick selecting All-Star Brad Daugherty who had a solid career though shortened by injuries.

If the Sixers keep the 1st pick and select Daugherty teaming him with Barkley, do the Sixers win at least 1 title between 1986-87 and 1991?

Especially until around the mid 90s, overseas players were such a rarity in the NBA and most of the league’s public would only hear about them either during the Olympics (if they are a part of it) or when they join the league.

However, despite the level out of the NBA not being as strong, it obviously has been very competitive and it produced undeniable legends. But how many of those, during any time, would you consider to have played on a level at least as high as the 10th best guy in the league?

Most obvious name that comes to my mind is 85-88’ Arvydas Sabonis, but I’m sure you could name a plenty more and across even more decades.

When comparing each season during David Robinson's 3 year peak in the mid 1990's, which one do you consider to be his absolute best when including both the regular season and playoffs?

1993-94 (Team Record: 55-27, Lost in Western Conference First Round)

• Regular Season: 29.8 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 4.8 APG, 1.7 SPG, 3.3 BPG, 50.7 FG%, 74.9 FT%, 34.5 3P% on 29 attempts
• Playoffs: 20.0 PPG, 10.0 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.8 SPG, 2.5 BPG, 41.1 FG%, 74.1 FT%, 0.0 3P% on 1 attempt
• Accolades: NBA Scoring Leader, 2nd in MVP voting, 2nd in DPOY voting, All-Star, All-NBA Second Team, All-Defensive Second Team

1994-95 (Team Record: 62-20, Lost in Western Conference Finals)

• Regular Season: 27.6 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 2.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 3.2 BPG, 53.0 FG%, 77.4 FT%, 30.0 3P% on 20 attempts
• Playoffs: 25.3 PPG, 12.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.5 SPG, 2.6 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 81.2 FT%, 20.0 3P% on 5 attempts
• Accolades: NBA MVP Winner, 4th in DPOY voting, All-Star, All-NBA First Team, All-Defensive First Team

1995-96 (Team Record: 59-23, Lost in Western Conference Semifinals)

• Regular Season: 25.0 PPG, 12.2 RPG, 3.0 APG, 1.4 SPG, 3.3 BPG, 51.6 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 33.3 3P% on 9 attempts
• Playoffs: 23.6 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.5 SPG, 2.5 BPG, 51.6 FG%, 66.7 FT%, no 3 pointers attempted
• Accolades: 2nd in MVP voting, 4th in DPOY voting, All-Star, All-NBA First Team, All-Defensive First Team

From what I've seen Willis got more appreciation, certainly in terms of hardware (insane that they didn't give the '70 FMVP to Frazier after that game 7). But looking at their comparative production, both were great scorers and defenders, only one of them was also the team's primary playmaker. Was Willis getting more recognition primarily due to being a center in an era where they were always seen as the best players? Or is there something I'm missing with Reed? Cause obviously he was a top-tier player in his era, but Frazier sure looks better on paper even considering elite rim protection > elite perimeter defense.

Hey everyone,

I'm an avid NBA fan interested in being able to watch some of the regular season Chicago Bulls games from the 1980s and 1990s.

Does anyone have access to any of the following games or know how I can get access to them to be able to watch them?

There are 249 games I am interested in, even finding one would make my day! They are all in the spoiler:

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Had many basketball cards of him as a kid, i remember him being a rookie card.

Title is the question but was honestly wondering if Pete Maravich didn’t get the severe January 1978 injury, would the Jazz have been a solid team since he was hitting his stride. Maybe a Finals team (hey the Portland trailblazers hadn’t made the playoffs before their title run)

One of the leading scorers of those Mutombo Nuggets teams along with Abdul-Rauf and Laphonso Ellis, I saw highlights of him once and it seemed like all his scoring came off-ball and it's surprising to see someone who predates Rip Hamilton scoring that much off of cutting and moving without the ball

In 1979, Larry Kenon was an all star for the young San Antonio Spurs. In 1980, he averaged over 20ppg. 3 years later, he was out of the league.

Kenon is primarily known, especially by newer fans, for having recorded 11 steals against the Kings on December 26th, 1976. This is still the record for most steals in a game, and only Kendell Gill was able to match it with 11 steals in a game over 22 years later. Many people don't know that he was a multi-time all-star early in his career, and was part of one of the highest scoring in NBA history, along with George Gervin.

Despite his early success, Kenon was out of the league by 30, playing his final game with the Cavaliers on March 20th, 1983. Between the 78-79 season and the 82-83 season, Kenon sharply declined, going from a 22ppg all-star to a 6ppg bench player. He was an extremely healthy player, playing 77 or more games for the first 8 years of career and he never suffered any major injuries. He also was not very old when his decline began, being only in his late 20s.

So what happened? Does anyone know why he declined so sharply for seemingly no reason?

Most people know and regard Gary Payton as being one of the greatest defensive Guards in NBA history, but what gets largely forgotten amongst casual NBA fans is that his own teammate in fellow point guard Nate McMillan was also one of the best perimeter defenders of that era. McMillan was recognized as being a very tenacious defensive player throughout his entire career. Magic Johnson once named him as being one of the toughest defenders that he ever played against. During the 1989 season, Magic was quoted as saying that “The guy that gives me the most trouble, night in and night out, is Nate McMillan of Seattle.” And specifically during McMillan’s peak defensive years in the early and mid 1990’s, he led the league in Defensive Box Plus/Minus for 3 consecutive seasons in 1993, 1994, and 1995. Also during that run, he earned back to back All-Defensive Second Team selections in 1994 and 1995 and also finished 7th and 6th in the voting for the DPOY award in those years as well. And specifically in 1994, he led the league in steals with a total of 216 and an average of 3.0 per game while only playing 25.8 minutes per game throughout the entire regular season. That just shows how incredibly impactful his defense was on a minute to minute basis.

All in all, how do you rate McMillan’s individual defensive impact in comparison to Payton? Is there a reasonable case to be made for him being just as good? Or was Payton clearly better? I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts.