r/Suburbanhell • • Jul 14 '25

Article The average person has no idea just how expensive a car-centric suburban hell world really is.

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Take West Virginia as a case study.

In 2017, the state launched its big "Roads to Prosperity" program: $1.6 billion in highway bonds to fix potholes, build new roads, and (supposedly) spark economic growth.

Now it’s 2025. The money is gone.

They completed 1,200 projects and paved 9,000 miles of roads. But the WV DOT is responsible for 36,000 miles of roads and 7,000 bridges. So even after spending all that, they barely scratched the surface.

And here's the kicker: West Virginia is now paying $120 million per year just in interest on the bonds: money that could’ve gone to basic maintenance. Experts estimate they actually need $1.2 to $1.5 billion per year just to keep existing roads and bridges in decent shape.

That’s what car-dependent infrastructure does. You build more and more in hopes that new development will magically generate enough tax revenue to pay for it. But that growth rarely materializes at the scale needed.

Instead, you get debt, crumbling roads, and no way out except more borrowing and more roads.

It’s not just West Virginia. This is how most of the U.S. builds. Every new cul-de-sac, bypass, and overpass is a forever financial liability. And most people have no idea.

They just want more lanes because “traffic is bad.” But the truth is: car-centric sprawl is the traffic, and we can’t afford it anymore.

Source: West Virginia Is the Canary in America’s Infrastructure Coal Mine

r/Suburbanhell • • Sep 15 '25

Article American-style suburbia is sensory deprivation, and it makes people weird

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This post was prompted by this ridiculous “Asking Eric” article that the algorithms fed to me in my news feed:

Asking Eric: It’s not my property, but I’ve had enough years of staring at neighbor’s backyard eyesore - syracuse.com

Car-centric, single-use, unwalkable suburbs are so empty and dead that people end up hyper-fixating on things that don’t affect them at all. In a city or a walkable neighborhood, your senses are occupied by street life: shops, people, noise, smells, transit, little surprises.

But in cul-de-sac land, the “public realm” is nothing but lawns, siding, and garage doors. So the tiniest thing in view becomes the biggest deal. Suddenly your entire quality of life hinges on your neighbor’s eight-year-old sandbox. You stare at it out the dining room window for nearly a decade and seethe, even though it literally does nothing to harm you.

That’s what happens when your world is a sensory vacuum: boredom mutates into resentment, and resentment turns into suburban pettiness.

r/Suburbanhell • • Dec 30 '24

Article How Extreme Car Dependency Is Driving Americans to Unhappiness

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r/Suburbanhell • • Apr 13 '26

Article "With its proximity to the water, consistently sunny weather and low taxes, Jasper County (SC) has seen a crush of newcomers in recent years" -NY Times

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r/Suburbanhell • • Sep 06 '25

Article In 85% of San Francisco, it is illegal to build anything aside from Single Family Houses, despite their massive housing shortage.

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r/Suburbanhell • • Feb 25 '24

Article Oh my god, just build apartments…

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r/Suburbanhell • • Aug 25 '25

Article Palmanova, Italy. A city built in 1593 using Thomas More's new concept of "Utopia". It has maintained the same layout to this day.

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"Utopia was considered to be a place where there was perfection in the whole of its society. This idea was started by Sir Thomas More, when he wrote the book Utopia. The book described the physical features of a city as well as the life of the people who lived in it. His book sparked a flame in literary circles. A great many other books of similar nature were written in short order. They all followed a major theme: equality. Everyone had the same amount of wealth, respect, and life experiences. Society had a calculated elimination of variety and a monotonous environment."

May not be too pertinent to the sub but I'm sure many of you will enjoy the read! http://www.grandvoyageitaly.com/travel/off-the-beaten-path-the-star-fortress-town-of-palmanovaOff the Beaten Path - The Star Fortress town of Palmanova - GRAND VOYAGE ITALY

r/Suburbanhell • • Jun 09 '26

Article The "Landmark" in Question is a Former Outlet Mall

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What ever shall I do with myself until Q1 2027 when the Boot Barn opens...

Article from DBJ: https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2026/06/08/outlets-at-hillsboro-glaser-retail-chilis-panda.html

r/Suburbanhell • • Sep 08 '26

Article Always the same

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r/Suburbanhell • • 21d ago

Article Took this flying into DFW yesterday. Imagine the poor children who have to grow up in this endless labyrinth of concrete roads and fences

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r/Suburbanhell • • Jun 01 '25

Article There is no such thing as quiet suburbs.

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Last Memorial Day weekend, it was a gasoline powered machine marathon. Lawn tractors, mowers, chainsaws, edgers, mulchers, leaf blowers, more chainsaws and barking dogs. All three days. All day long. Do people have any idea that some of their neighbors might have guests on their patio or deck after mebbe 4 pm? And this weekend, these people missed a number of green things that don’t qualify as lawn. Again, this cacophony starts up at 4pm, disrupting guests on the deck. New Berlin here. I hate regulations, but some people need a guide.

r/Suburbanhell • • May 21 '26

Article Return to the Land, a Whites-Only Community, Is Sued for Discrimination

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Whites-Only Community in Arkansas Sued for Discrimination
Return to the Land, a 160-acre development requiring members be white and heterosexual, is breaking fair housing and civil rights laws, according to a lawsuit.

Last summer, Michelle Walker was watching the local 5 o’clock news in her St. Louis living room when a segment about a real estate opportunity caught her attention.

The anchor described a new housing community in the Ozark Mountains, an area Ms. Walker, 49, her husband and three children knew well from frequent vacations. Land could be purchased there, the anchor said, for about $1,000 an acre. Ms. Walker, a real estate broker, immediately recognized the price as significantly below market value.

The catch was that membership in this development was limited only to applicants who were white and heterosexual, because the land was part of a compound run by white nationalists looking to build a community for white Americans only.

Ms. Walker applied to join the community and was rejected. On Wednesday morning, she sued them for discrimination, citing civil rights laws dating back to 1866.

The community, [Return to the Land](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/19/realestate/arkansas-white-housing-return-to-land.html), received an explosion of news coverage last summer after two of its founders went public about their plans for building a network of whites-only compounds across the United States. Their efforts are currently focused on a pilot community in Ravenden, Ark., where they’re building houses, a community center and farm pens on 160 sun-burnished acres. Jews, Black people, homosexuals and anyone with heritage that isn’t white and European are banned.

Galvanized by a federal government that has [aggressively backed](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/27/us/politics/eeoc-trump-discrimination-cases.html) “reverse discrimination” legal cases, [including against The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/05/business/economy/eeoc-nyt-investigation.html), white nationalists are increasingly pushing the boundaries of the nation’s civil rights laws. Those boundaries include several landmark fair housing laws, which explicitly ban discrimination in real estate on the basis of race and religion.

But since its founding in September 2023, no legal challenge has been mounted against Return to the Land, allowing its founders to continue building and recruiting unhindered. Tim Griffin, the Arkansas attorney general, announced he had opened an investigation into potential legal violations by Return to the Land after reports on the community were published last summer, but has not made any announcements since. Nearly a year later, his communications director, Jeff LeMaster, said the investigation was ongoing but there are “no updates to share at this time.”

Ms. Walker’s lawsuit, filed Wednesday morning in Arkansas federal court, is the first civil case to allege discrimination by the group. She is being represented by Relman Colfax, a leading fair housing law group based in Washington, D.C., as well as Legal Aid of Arkansas and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.

Her lawyers say that in addition to damages, they are seeking a court order from a judge that demands the group stop discriminating, and they believe the law supports their demand. The founders of Return to the Land have said they believe their community to be in compliance with the law because of a line in the Fair Housing Act of 1968 that allows private associations and religious groups to give preference to their own members when offering housing. It’s a rule, legal experts say, designed to allow groups like churches to offer a house for clergy on their property.

The founders of Return to the Land run a limited liability company that owns the land the compound stands on, as well as a membership association. Members who buy a share, currently priced around $6,600, are given three acres of land on which they can build a home. Since members are buying a stake in the L.L.C. and not directly buying the acreage, the organization says they aren’t breaking any laws. According to the complaint, however, that arrangement provides no shield from the law, because the value of the share “is tied to the value of the associated land, not the percentage of the L.L.C.” and the associated land is a member’s property.

Legal scholars have dismissed Return to the Land’s justifications, and Ms. Walker’s lawsuit cites violations of not just the Fair Housing Act, but the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1871, which contain no such carve out for membership groups.

Reached by phone, Eric Orwoll, the community’s co-founder and its de facto spokesman, said he wasn’t surprised to hear the organization was being sued.

“It’s not something we hadn’t anticipated,” he said. “This is going to be a competition between our right to freely associate and then civil rights laws, which seem contradictory to our claims.”

He said he believed that the First Amendment and the right to freely associate would help Return to the Land prevail, and then declined to comment further, saying he wanted to first read the suit himself.

Ms. Walker considers herself white, but said she does not share the mind-set of the white nationalists living on Return to the Land. She is a practicing Christian with Jewish ancestry on her mother’s side, and her husband is Black. They have three biracial children. In 2021, she chaired the diversity committee of the National Association of Realtors, the powerful national trade group representing more than one million real estate agents.

According to her lawsuit, she applied for membership to clinch what she saw as a killer real estate deal and was rejected based on her ancestry and the race of her husband and children.

She wasn’t concerned that her politics might clash with the residents, or that her interracial marriage could cause a disturbance, she said, because she wasn’t planning to ever live on the land herself. She was hoping, she told The Times, to learn about how renting it out might work — but first she wanted to be approved.

“A good investment is a good investment,” Ms. Walker said, adding that she did not set out with the goal of mounting a legal challenge when she applied. “There was never a plan for my husband and children to go there. I’m bold but I’m not stupid.”

Last summer, there were about 40 members living in the Return to the Land community, many in makeshift cabins accessible by rough gravel roads. They haven’t publicized their numbers since.

Mr. Orwoll gave The Times a limited tour, showing off goat pens, a small children’s playground and an air-conditioned shed with fiber internet that serves as his office. During the tour, he pulled a copy of “Mein Kampf” from a bookshelf and turned it around to hide its spine so it wouldn’t be photographed.

In November 2025, Ms. Walker completed an application form on Return to the Land’s website, which included a questionnaire with several questions about her ethnicity, religion and political beliefs.

Other questions asked her views on gay marriage, the Covid vaccine and abortion. The questionnaire also asked her to indicate how often she thinks about the Roman Empire.
The Times reviewed screenshots of her application.

“I was stunned when I saw the questions on the application,” Ms. Walker said. “That’s when the radar really started going off. I didn’t expect them to be asking such openly fair-housing-related questions.”

She answered honestly, she said, explaining that she was a white Christian woman with Jewish relatives and a husband who had African and Irish ancestry.

“I was hoping I would be accepted. I see myself as a white woman,” she said. “I wanted that land.”

After completing her questionnaire, Ms. Walker said she was invited to do a video interview with a member of Return to the Land. She was instructed to download the app Telegram, and on the day of her interview, in December 2025, the video did not work. She nevertheless answered the interviewer’s questions, she said, which were similar to those in the initial application. According to the complaint, the interviewer also asked Ms. Walker “if she belonged to any other white nationalist organizations.”

When the interview was completed, since the video had not worked, she was asked to upload a video of herself and send it over Telegram, she told The Times. She complied. Mr. Orwoll told The Times last year that it’s important for the group to see what the applicant looks like.

“Seeing someone who doesn’t present as white might lead us to, among other things, not admit that person,” he said.
Ms. Walker filmed a five-second video while seated on her sofa, where she waved to the camera.

“This is Michelle Walker, we just had our interview,” she said in the video, which she shared with The Times. “Just wanted to say hello. Merry Christmas.”

Just over her shoulder, a photograph of her family, including her husband and her three children, was visible on the living room wall.

A month passed and Ms. Walker did not hear anything from Return to the Land. In January, she said, she reached out via Telegram to her interviewer to ask about the status of her application.
The interviewer, the complaint reads, “told Ms. Walker that she should not expect an approval.”

r/Suburbanhell • • Nov 24 '25

Article Homebuyers Are Willing To Pay a Premium for One Perk: Walkability

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I saw this article at realtor.com:

Homebuyers Prioritize Walkability as Demand Hits New High

I love to see hard data showing it’s not just me who wants to live somewhere walkable. According to the latest NAR survey, 79% of Americans say walkability matters, and 90% of Gen Z and millennials would pay extra for it. Even boomers (the group everyone assumes loves sprawl) overwhelmingly say they’d pay more just to ditch the car for daily errands.

I just hope the government stops stopping developers from building it via silly biggins land use rules that perpetuate sprawlism.

r/Suburbanhell • • Jan 14 '24

Article “We are prisoners in our home “ - Leopards eat the faces of Idaho suburbanites

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Idaho community members move to the suburbs and then complain about there being nothing around.

Did you want to move to the suburbs and have amenities without driving for 30-40 minutes?

Some truly indicative and excellent quotes from the article:

“Bernie and other neighbors said it can take over 30 minutes to drive to any nearby shopping center, and they have limited options for dining, entertainment and retail. “There is nowhere to go to take (my kids) out to eat,” said Nick Nettles. “We are prisoners in our home unless we want to sit in traffic for 25-30 minutes.”

“We don’t need any more housing — we need a place for us to shop,” said Barbara Bernie, who lives within walking distance of the site.

“There is nowhere to go to take (my kids) out to eat,” said Nick Nettles.

Developers then state that there’s not enough parking for them to invest in a commercial development. The discussion seems to be centered around big box stores, chains, and other seriously huge businesses which expect “highway visibility”.

I feel like some people truly live in the 1950s in their heads.

The most pessimistic assessment of the site came from Andrew Smith, managing partner and co-founder of Savory Fund, a restaurant investment firm based in the Provo area. “The interior of this site lacks visibility, adequate parking and easy access,” Smith wrote in a letter to the commission. “I would never take any of those sites.”

Suburban hell 101.

r/Suburbanhell • • Apr 10 '25

Article NYT continues to suck--posts long article today about how America "needs more sprawl"

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Not linking it directly in the header because I don't want to give them the extra traffic, but it's here if you must. Key quote:

But cities are difficult and expensive places to build because they lack open land. Adding density to already-bustling places is crucial for keeping up with demand and preventing the housing crisis from getting worse. It will not, however, add the millions of new units America needs. The only way to do that is to move out — in other words, to sprawl.

The thesis (without much backing from what I can tell) is that it's not possible for America to solve its housing crisis without suburban sprawl. To the author's credit, he does talk toward the end about how the sprawl should be more-complete cities with jobs and amenities, not just atomized subdivisions. However, I still think his basic thesis is incorrect.

It is very physically possible to meet our housing needs by building infill housing in existing urbanized areas. American cities are not densely-packed. By global standards, they're sparse and empty of both density and life. There are countless parking lots to infill, countless single-family subdivisions, even lots of greenfield space that got hopped over in mid-ring suburbs and could be filled with new walkable transit-oriented neighborhoods. Filling in these dead, low-density, car-dependent areas would be beneficial not just for solving the housing crisis financially, but also for addressing climate change, the public health crisis, financial crises where our towns and cities struggle to balance their budgets, and for improving quality of life for people in existing urban areas.

The problem with building enough housing in these areas is political, and it can be solved the way any other political problem is solved: By building consensus and momentum toward doing so.

r/Suburbanhell • • 6d ago

Article If anyone's opposed to suburban sprawl, it should be hunters

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I don't hunt or anything (I'm not that macho of a man), but reading about these hunters' herculean efforts to find places to hunt in a sprawling metro area (literally in the title of the article) showed me that it would be in hunters' best hunting interests to be fans of smart growth.

If you allow cities to be cities and more city-esque, you can also let the countryside be more country and more country-esque, which is obviously better for hunting.

Sprawl is edging out hunting in Twin Cities suburbs

r/Suburbanhell • • Feb 14 '25

Article I asked Why boomers complain of low births while favoring antisocial suburb design. Good answer?

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According to www.iAsk.ai – Ask AI:

Suburban Design and Isolation Boomers have long favored car-centric suburbs that prioritize private vehicular travel over pedestrian connectivity. This design inherently isolates residents—making it challenging for young people to encounter potential partners through everyday activities like walking or meeting in vibrant, mixed-use community spaces.

Mismatch Between Boomer Expectations and Young People’s Social Needs While boomers often bemoan low birth rates and single lifestyles, the suburban model they uphold does little to foster spontaneous social interactions. Instead of promoting environments that naturally encourage chance encounters (often a precursor to forming intimate relationships), these communities rely on spread-out amenities and segregated zones (residential, commercial, recreational) that limit organic opportunities for young people to connect.

Disconnect in Policy and Reality Boomers sometimes expect that existing community institutions—such as churches or local clubs—will fill the social void created by this design. However, critics argue that such compensatory measures are insufficient. Without intentional urban planning reforms (like creating walkable, transit-friendly neighborhoods with central gathering spaces), the very layout that boomers have long maintained effectively compounds the social isolation, thus making it harder for younger generations to find love.

In summary, baby boomers’ support for car-dependent, isolated suburban environments runs counter to the vibrant, inclusive community settings needed by young people to form meaningful relationships.

r/Suburbanhell • • Jun 20 '25

Article TX suburbanites have rare moment of insight

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...and realize that having a one way in/out culdesacky neighborhood is dumb and bad. Not only that, but the municipality actually built another route? Incredible. They can be taught! (As long as it's a giant train doing the teaching, apparently.)

Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/monstertrains/

r/Suburbanhell • • 2d ago

Article We scored every US city with 100,000+ people on the METRO Score.

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r/Suburbanhell • • Jan 08 '25

Article YC's Congestion Pricing is Good, Actually

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r/Suburbanhell • • Sep 09 '25

Article Just 1.2% of the land in the United States' top 35 metropolitan areas is considered walkable

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Source: https://www.kpbs.org/news/quality-of-life/2025/09/08/walkable?

I haven't checked the criteria that led to the 1.2% statistic, but it sounds about right for my area. If it's not in the tiny little baby downtown, it's not walkable. And downtown is about 1% of the developed area.

r/Suburbanhell • • Feb 13 '25

Article Battlefield: Suburbia... It's 36 Times More Dangerous to Walk Than Drive in the USA

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r/Suburbanhell • • Jul 23 '23

Article Liberal Suburbs Have Their Own Border Wall

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r/Suburbanhell • • Apr 22 '26

Article After spending over $1 trillion, the roads are still crumbling, unsafe, and congested. Does Congress care?

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r/Suburbanhell • • Jun 12 '25

Article St. George, Utah finally bans lawns but keeps giant minimum lot sizes

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St. George, Utah is deep in the desert, facing an existential water crisis thanks to climate change and the shrinking Colorado River. They’ve finally admitted that sprawling green lawns make zero sense, so they’ve acted.

New developments are now banned from having more than something like 8% turfgrass. That’s a step forward. Dry landscaping and native plants make way more sense in the desert.

But here’s the kicker: they’re keeping the same oversized minimum lot sizes. You still have to buy a big suburban lot.

Instead of reforming zoning to allow for smaller lots, denser neighborhoods, and more water-efficient housing, they’re doubling down on sprawl. Now it’s just gravel and cacti instead of Kentucky bluegrass.

You’d think the most obvious part of the solution (getting rid of mandatory giant lots) would be on the table by now. But nope. Suburbia gonna suburb.

NPR article for context