r/aoe2 • u/Infinity_Overload • 12h ago
Discussion The Only Buff Byzantines Need
Let them research Masonry and Architecture.
Not only it makes logical sense from a Historical Standpoint.
Byzantium was the only place that still had the Roman Concrete Recipe. So they did had good Masonry and Brick Makers.
And Byzantine Architecture with their Icons and Orthodox Style is Famous, so famous that the Slavs adopted the Orthodox Style from them. Even the entire Religion.
So yeah this Buff is all Byz needs.
On Arena they would be monsters. As their Walls would be the Theodosian Walls. Since they should keep their Base Civ Bonus together with Masonry and Architecture.
And besides there is so much more siege equipment and anti building damage units, that the buff is not as crazy.
Sure if you are against a bad siege civ, yeah Byz is basically unsiegable. But that should be the players fault for not picking properly or the team for not drafting properly. This is a competitive game. That Byz is unsiegable if nobody picked a good siege civ is entirely on the other person or team. Its not the Byz player's fault that he picked Arena, where Byz with this buff would be Top 3 easily with that alone.
They would still be pretty meh in Arabia 1v1. You would probably see people do weird Housing Strats with Masonry an Architecture, but its so late game. That it would mostly be playing from behind hoping a comeback. So its not that great. Its good if your push failed though. As you could then research Masonry and Architecture to try and save your fail attack on the enemy.
Which is kinda doing your own Manzikert and then having to play defensive. Very Historically Accurate and very Byzantine feeling. Good army and tech, but no real bonuses other than spamming trash and a very good but expensive elite unit that can win against anything, but its way to expensive and losing them = GG.
And you can now throw a few Varangians with your trash to hopefully recuperate some Gold. Very Roleplaying as basically thats what the Varangians became later in the Byzantine Empire history, just glorified mercenaries allowed to pillage to get funds back since maintaining the professional army was way too expensive.
So yeah retreat and wall up. Like real Byz did.
there is so many tools now to deal with walls and they have been nerfed in HP compared to the past, that i see no problem.
This is all the buffs Byz needs, and it also makes sense historical.
The Theodosian Walls were the only thing that allowed them to last until 1453.
And also the Venetians not screwing them, but that's another story.

