Damage racials add nothing to gameplay besides an extra button to hit with all your cd's that you're just gonna bake into a macro anyway. Or worse just another barely impactful passive.

I know the problem of minmax would still exist largely in pvp with defensive racials and idk how to solve that but it would've been nice to eliminate a large part of the fomo by just taking away the damage part.

Title says it all. Some of you dweebs are legitimately letting a racial ability dictate whether you enjoy the game or even play it at all. Just play the game. If it’s about min maxing- pick that race and be happy. If it’s for looks- pick that race and be happy. Just be happy. It’s a video game that’s supposed to bring you peace and a disconnect from reality— yet some of you treat this like a job.

This change might make orc the strongest race for hunter and lock. This goes against the wow forever design philosophy of alliance favouritism.

I meant to read today’s patch notes but missed that the link opened at the top, showing the first Beta notes from September 24.  

That was pretty dumb of me.  

Since I was already there and didn’t want to lose time, I opened the Fire Mage talent tree to check the “Wake of Fire” buff and “Hot Streak” change mentioned in the notes.

I couldn't find these buffs or talents.

I also realized that no one is ever talking about Fire Mages; it's only Frost Mages or Arcane Mages. Frost is a hero class, traditionally, and Arcane just got significant changes in WoW Forever, so both of these make sense.

So, what's up with Fire Mages?

Dwarf priest has lost almost all of its power while these Gnome priests are gonna run rampant all over the once great city of Ironforge.
Dwarf used to be the face of the priest class and patch after patch they are getting shafted by Blizzard who clearly hates them.

The recent change convinced all my healer friends to just roll gnome since the new hit chance passive literally does nothing for healer dwarf priests which now makes literally all their racials completely useless for priest.

Now I'm forced to play with these short ugly sub-human wannabee dwarves or find new friends.

Gnome priest just doesn't hit the same as Dwarf Priest and I'd like my favorite class/race combo to stop getting nerfed by Blizzard.

Keep the Gnomes out of Ironforge and make Dwarf Priest great again

i do not want my character be a race i hate looking the whole time just to min max at level 60 and not get accepted to raid. just make a questline with example taurens to get the tauren racials, thats it. how is that even a discussion?

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As someone who's playing Dwarf regardless, the 1% hit is a neat buff, though still pretty uninspiring.

If racial flavor is the goal, which I wholeheartedly agree with, here's what I would've done for dwarf as a package (though I'm open for other interesting ideas).

1. Active: stoneform, unchanged

2. Active: dwarven stout: place a keg of dwarven stout on the ground. Interacting with it provides a random buff and makes you slightly drunk, lasts for 10 minutes. 30 min - 1h cd

3. Passive: Artisan Crafter: provides a 1% chance to craft an additional item when crafting from your primary or secondary professions. (or of they want to do more with BoP crafts, 1% chance to not use materials)

4. Passive: Dwarven Stomach: immune to drunk effect. In addition, the effects of Well Fed buffs is increased by 50%

Something along these lines feels very dwarven, is flexible enough to allow players to choose how to interacts with the (which professions, which well fed buff), but creates a strong racial flavor without touching combat minmaxing much (aside from the well fed buffs)

Also:

The dopamine of a duplicate lionheart helm or something would be such an unforgettable moment.

Just my 2 cents. In general though, I don't really care, I just feel they've left a lot on the table here. I'm well aware something of this level of a redesign this late is simply not happening, but I just like the thinking exercise.

I was planning to play Human Warrior but seeing the latest nerfs made me wonder if these devs ever played WoW in their lives, nerfing crit by 50%???
WTF are these devs even smoking?
Like i would understand if they nerf crit by 10% or MAYBE 20% but 50%?!?! How am I supposed to generate any rage now?
Yeah im done with the game until they revert the crit nerf or until Nov. 4

its literally free money for blizz and fixes a decent amount of issues with the races.

And if you don’t think its coming eventually you are in denial lol

And just too add race change was added in wotlk its not a new retail thing its been around for 17 years

DPS racials are now toned down which is a good thing. You no longer feel FORCED to play a race if you raid.

Most of the complaints I see are from Orcs, Human and pay to win SKELVE parsers which are still in no way weak and everyone going 2 or 3 races for PVE would have been horrible anyways. Variety is a nice thing. The world of Azeroth is a much better place with all the races around and people Playing what they actually like.

Can anyone honestly say vanilla was in a good state? "If you can be orc be orc". What a great state of play that was for us Horde...Alliance was "if you want to raid you have to go human for melee". Wow how fun. Whenever something is FORCED it feels horrible and I feel like we have decent choices now for each class.

If you only wanted to be a race to be "op" you probably didn't really want to play it anyways.

This most recent round of racial changes are a complete slap in the face to people who care about minmaxxing damage in combat and also a huge fuck you to all Horde raiders. REMOVE ALL COMBAT RACIALS.

If you are part of the "lol no one cares about your parses" crowd, then shut the fuck up, these conversations are not for you.

Blizzard has now proven 3 times in a row during the Beta that they are only Alliance mains and have no fucking clue how to balance racials for the raiding population, JUST FUCKING REMOVE THEM. Keep the dogshit flavor slop racials like Plainsrunning, Find Treasure, Underwater Breathing and Gnomish Engineer garbage for all the casual freaks.

+ social aspect
+ combat relevant, but versatile in raid comp
+ unique to race
+ fun

Decided to help a Tauren in the wild? Might catch a +10% health buff. Saw an undead getting overrun? Might gift you a 1% life leech buff. Skyborne needed help? Might decide to give you their 3% haste buff.

Maybe even make them not work in raid to prevent the power creep. This would kept it fun, light hearted and spread lots of smiles.

Dear Blizzard Devs,

please give us Tauren Players the option to a +60 % mount at lvl 40 that we can „cast“ to be just faster on our own without a mount. Also do not remove the option to get a mount instead. It‘s just a visual change option.

Thank you kindly in regards.

Moo! 🐮🤍

Yes i’m a dirty min-maxing asshole. It’s how I enjoy to play, please don’t burn my house down. I’m not mean to those who don’t play this way idc. Have fun however you want

Now, in saying that, which races are the best now for each class do you guys think?

I think I have read about Plainsrunning building up stacks when transformed (Cat, Travel Form, Ghost Wolf,...) during Beta.

But do we know about riding mounts? Or is it just speculation at this point? (I haven't played Beta)

Combat racials suck. The flavor of the racials are better.

Horde ftw.

I don't care about the loss of 1% crit.

Yeah, it all ultimately does matter - the game is about chasing gear; having a passive that boosts the same stat as gear does make a difference. And that's especially true in an endgame where (it can be assumed) a few percentage points will separate BiS from "good but not great" itemization.

But you know what? I'd trade even the 1% crit we have left to get something for humans that had a bit of flavor. Because the human spirit is possibly the most lame racial in WoW. And while Will to Survive is awesome, I'm not sure it really "says" that much (beyond being useful).

Overall, I'd really prefer better flavor to stats. But I get that that's not a popular take right now.

// WoW Forever - Unhinged Racial Overhaul // Design target: Absolutely zero semblance of balance.

struct RacialBonuses { int Strength; int Agility; int Intellect; int Stamina; int Spirit; int CriticalStrike; int Haste; int DamagePercent; int HealingPercent; };

void ApplyRacials(Player* player) { switch (player->GetRace()) { case RACE_HUMAN: player->AddAllStats(500); player->AddDamagePercent(50); player->AddHealingPercent(50); player->SetCooldownReduction(0.30f); player->AddPassive("Every Man for Himself", "Removes all crowd control and grants 5 sec immunity."); player->AddPassive("Human Potential", "Every 10 seconds, permanently gain 1% damage."); break;

    case RACE_ORC:
        player->AddStrength(1500);
        player->AddAttackPower(5000);
        player->AddDamagePercent(100);
        player->AddPassive("Blood Fury",
            "Deal double damage for 20 seconds.");
        player->AddPassive("Hardiness",
            "50% reduced stun duration; immune to stuns below 2 sec.");
        break;

    case RACE_DWARF:
        player->AddStamina(2000);
        player->AddArmor(100000);
        player->AddPhysicalDamageReduction(0.50f);
        player->AddPassive("Stoneform",
            "Remove all debuffs and become immune for 8 seconds.");
        player->AddPassive("Mountain King",
            "Cannot be critically hit. Recover 5% max health per second.");
        break;

    case RACE_NIGHTELF:
        player->AddAgility(1500);
        player->AddDodgeChance(0.50f);
        player->AddMovementSpeed(0.50f);
        player->AddPassive("Shadowmeld",
            "Become untargetable for 10 seconds. No cooldown.");
        player->AddPassive("Elune's Favor",
            "All attacks have a 25% chance to deal 500% bonus damage.");
        break;

    case RACE_UNDEAD:
        player->AddIntellect(1500);
        player->AddShadowDamagePercent(100);
        player->AddPassive("Will of the Forsaken",
            "Immune to fear, charm, sleep and mind control.");
        player->AddPassive("Cannibalize",
            "Instantly restore 100% health and mana on kill.");
        player->AddPassive("Touch of the Grave",
            "Every attack deals 20% of target max health as shadow damage.");
        break;

    case RACE_TAUREN:
        player->AddStamina(2500);
        player->AddStrength(1000);
        player->AddMaxHealthPercent(1.00f);
        player->AddPassive("War Stomp",
            "Stun all enemies within 30 yards for 5 seconds.");
        player->AddPassive("Endless Vitality",
            "Regenerate 3% max health every second in combat.");
        break;

    case RACE_GNOME:
        player->AddIntellect(2000);
        player->AddHaste(1000);
        player->AddManaRegenerationPercent(1.00f);
        player->AddPassive("Escape Artist",
            "Instantly remove all movement impairing effects.");
        player->AddPassive("Hyper Intelligence",
            "All spells cost no mana and have no cast time.");
        break;

    case RACE_TROLL:
        player->AddAgility(1000);
        player->AddHaste(2000);
        player->AddCriticalStrikeChance(0.30f);
        player->AddPassive("Berserking",
            "Gain 200% haste for 15 seconds.");
        player->AddPassive("Da Voodoo Shuffle",
            "All cooldowns recover 5 times faster.");
        break;

    case RACE_BLOODELF:
        player->AddIntellect(1500);
        player->AddSpellPower(5000);
        player->AddSpellCriticalStrikeChance(0.50f);
        player->AddPassive("Arcane Torrent",
            "Silence all enemies within 40 yards and restore 100% mana.");
        player->AddPassive("Arcane Supremacy",
            "Every spell has a 50% chance to cast twice for free.");
        break;

    case RACE_DRAENEI:
        player->AddAllStats(1000);
        player->AddHealingPercent(200);
        player->AddPassive("Gift of the Naaru",
            "Instantly heal 100% max health every 10 seconds.");
        player->AddPassive("Heroic Presence",
            "All party members gain 25% damage and healing.");
        break;
}

}

Are Elemental Convergences near battlegrounds? I plan on playing rogue as my alt and am wondering which is better Undead with WotF & Touch of Grave or Windshaper Skybourne which will give you the ability to save Sprint mostly for running away, chasing after combat started or breaking roots in pvp as you can use Skysight to close on enemies while in stealth and have 2% haste for damage. The speed increase in stealth will help offset the fact humans have perception and that requires more maneuvering on them.

I haven't played in a long time and I guess the part I don't know is how trinkets and their cooldowns play into the equation and I do plan on having Engineering.

Plainsrunning at 60% speed. Absolutely perfect for bots to farm the entire continent before your character finishes loading.

Weapon skills? Removed. Except for ONE race. DWARVES. Apparently, the Mountain King himself personally negotiated a weapon skill exemption.

Human critical strike chance? Nerfed to 1%.

Orc critical strike chance? 0%. Not 1%. ZERO. Thrall personally confiscated your ability to crit.

Oh, and they brought Command back for Orcs, so now every Hunter has to play an Orc if they want to be competitive. Congratulations, your class fantasy is now being a green dude with a pet. Better hope you like Horde.

And this is the THIRD TIME they've changed the racials, and the game hasn't even been released yet. We're not even playing the game anymore; we're beta testing the devs' ability to make up their minds.

At this point, I'm convinced the devs are balancing the game by throwing darts at a whiteboard while blindfolded.

The bots are eating good, the players are eating dirt, the dwarves are the chosen people, and every Hunter is being drafted into the Horde.

10/10 game design. Can't wait for the next patch where they remove auto-attack but only for Night Elves.

We zooming boizzzz