r/whatsthissnake • • Oct 25 '25

Taxonomic or Phylogeographic Update Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes

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Happy to announce our new paper, "Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes" available as full text at the above link until December 14th, 2025. This is a personal project of mine that I've been working on since 2011 and am excited for it to finally be in print. In summary, we show mudsnakes are two species that structure geographically, and rainbows have no population structure. We need more tissues from snakes in zones of contact to verify ranges and link blotch count to genotype, but as far as we can tell, the two muds are completely reproductively isolated despite evidence of gene flow from eastern muds into rainbows.

Please enjoy, and don't worry about not making formal taxonomic changes yet - this isn't the last you'll see on the mudsnakes.


r/whatsthissnake • • Sep 01 '21

[Mod post] PLEASE READ: ID best practices and comment guidelines

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/r/whatsthissnake has grown a great deal in the last year and we are very excited about connecting with more people who have an interest in snakes, snake identification (ID) and conservation. With growth often comes growing pains, and there are a number of trends in the sub that need to be addressed as we move forward. We attempt to clarify these below and offer some "best practices" in identification that should help our community.

What makes a good ID?

Good IDs are specific and informative. They tend to have the following information, in order of importance:

  1. Binomial name - Consisting of Genus specificepithet and placed in asterisks (*) to italicize. This is the most important component of a good ID. With only this, a person can quickly find out anything else they want to know about the snake species and it is an important part of every ID. The bot command !specificepithet provides more information on properly structuring a binomial name and how to get it to work with the bot, if an entry exists.

  2. Harmless or venomous - Please note that these terms are specific to their interaction with humans. While snakes such as hognose snakes Heterodon, gartersnakes Thamnophis, and watersnakes Nerodia are venomous, they are not medically significant to humans and should be labeled as harmless. This information is informative to a person's interaction with a snake and should always be provided. The bot responds to either !harmless or !venomous and will save time on these explanations.

  3. Common name - Common names are frequently variable and highly local. Sometimes, the same common name could be used for different snakes in different areas. In other cases, the same snake can have multiple common names depending on the area it was found. While we typically recommend providing them, it is not a vital part of an ID. An ID with only the common name is a low quality ID.

You can still contribute if you're not sure or think an ID is incorrect:

In some cases, you may be able to narrow down an ID to genus level, but don't know the diagnostic characters or ranges well enough to provide a more specific ID. This is fine. A genus level ID is very helpful, and specific enough to provide useful general information on the snake. So, if there hasn't been an ID yet and you can at least get to the genus level, post the ID.

You are also encouraged to provide any additional information or context you desire, but be mindful of links you post. The best IDs include informational links to be primary sources, or at least high quality science reporting on those sources. Many times this is done already in the bot replies, so see some of those for examples. Wikipedia is not a quality resource and should be avoided for informational links. Even resources provided by state wildlife agencies tend to lag ten to twenty years behind the science and should be viewed with a critical eye. For example, the very popular SREL Herp website, despite being associated with a major university, does not follow currently accepted taxonomy and, while it was a great resource for some time, is not the best source of current information.

However:

If you enter a thread in which a Reliable Responder has made an ID, or there is a highly upvoted ID, do not post a contrary ID unless you can provide specific diagnostic characters as to why the original ID was incorrect. Recently, incorrect IDs have appeared hours or days after the original correct ID was made, and therefore often go uncaught by moderators and reliable responders. These can create unnecessary confusion for an original poster, who is notified of each response. If you feel that an ID is incorrect and can provide diagnostic characters, reply directly to the ID comment rather than the original post. Incorrect late IDs may be warned and removed. Repeated violations may result in a ban at moderator discretion. Remember, our goal here is to be collaborative and work toward making a good positive ID. These incorrect late IDs greatly inhibit that goal. We value discussion in the comments and want to avoid locking threads in the way that other ID subreddits do.

Likewise, if a correct ID has been made, there is no need to post the same ID again. Just upvote the correct ID. You may post to add additional information or context to provide a better quality ID (adding the binomial, triggering the bot, etc.), but it is not helpful to simply say "corn snake" hours after someone has provided an ID with a full binomial and triggered the bot. More detailed IDs may be posted as top level comments to make sure that the OP sees them. Low quality/low effort IDs posted after a more detailed ID may be warned and removed.

We would also like to remind everyone of Rule 6:

Avoid damaging memes or tropes and low effort jokes: Avoid damaging memes like using "danger noodle" for nonvenomous snakes and tropes like "everything in Australia is out to get you". This is an educational space, and those kind of comments are harmful and do not reflect reality. We've also heard "it's a snake" as a joke hundreds of times. Infantilization of snakes and unhelpful rhymes will be removed.

This is one of our most broken rules. While it is somewhat vague, that is because it is nearly impossible for us to consider all possibilities. In addition to the things directly mentioned in the rule text, this rule also includes things like commenting with random names when someone posts "Who is this?", or posting things like "Pick it up and find out" in response to posts asking if a snake is venomous. Furthermore, these comments often break rule 11, "Posts and comments must reflect the reality of wildlife ecology." Misinformation spread through these seemingly innocuous jokes have been on the rise. Violations of this rule may be warned and removed, and repeated violations may result in a ban. Egregious violations may result in a temporary ban without warning. This is an educational space with potential real-world consequences, and while we don't want to discourage humor as a whole, we want you to think about what you are posting and whether it belongs in this space. While we recognize this is one of the best places to come to see pictures of wild snakes in their natural environment, it's not the best place to joke about cute pictures. /r/sneks is quite happy to accommodate snek jokes, humor and unabashed cuteness.


r/whatsthissnake • • 2h ago

ID Request Little one [Kerala,India]

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This little guy came over to a neighbour’s place. Perhaps wanted some tea. Sadly he didn’t get any as my neighbour only drinks coffee.


r/whatsthissnake • • 5h ago

ID Request ?? [Pune, India]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 20h ago

ID Request [West Bengal, India] russell's viper?

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r/whatsthissnake • • 8h ago

ID Request [Pensacola Interstate Fair]

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Snake we got to hold at the fair from local breeder “Reno Reptiles”. Who is this?


r/whatsthissnake • • 11h ago

ID Request [Sapa, Vietnam] Cam Rong Eco-Park

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I was sitting on a bench in this mountainside park in Sapa, Vietnam. A park maintenance worker was sweeping behind me when she suddenly screamed. This snake was behind me. She called another worker nearby to assist her. Any idea what species it is?


r/whatsthissnake • • 9h ago

ID Request Found in Victoria, Australia off the Great Ocean Road

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r/whatsthissnake • • 22h ago

Just Sharing A New Rattlesnake for the National Park System: Twin-Spotted Rattlesnakes at [Chiricahua National Park]

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A new rattlesnake for the National Park system. The newly minted Chiricahua National Park includes habitat for one of our state's lesser-known venomous snakes.

Twin Spotted Rattlesnakes (Crotalus pricei) are small, high-elevation rattlesnakes that live in a handful of mountain ranges in the Sky Islands region of Arizona. Hikers may see them rarely, visiting the peaks and upper saddles of the Santa Rita, Huachuca, Pinaleno, and Chiricahua ranges.

In the Chiricahuca National Park, they may be found at the upper elevations, above 6,000'. Much of the park is lower than that, but the longer trails leading to Massai Point get into the right areas where one may be spotted.

They're so small (usually under 2 feet long as adults) that most long-term visitors don't even know they exist. They do rattle, but usually just silently slip off the trail or into the rocks. If a rattle does happen, it's a quiet buzz that sounds more like an insect than a rattlesnake.

Twin-Spotted Rattlesnakes are protected in Arizona and should never be captured or killed.

Prival, D. B., Goode, M. J., Swann, D. E., Schwalbe, C. R., & Schroff, M. J. (2002). Natural history of a northern population of twin-spotted rattlesnakes, Crotalus pricei. Journal of Herpetology, 36(4), 598–607.


r/whatsthissnake • • 37m ago

ID Request Please help identify[tampa]

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My friend came home to this on the wall outside her house. She lives on the base


r/whatsthissnake • • 55m ago

ID Request Saw this in my yard [East Africa, Tz]

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Saw this slithering thing in our backyard. At first, I got scared and bolted. Then I stood as far as I could and took this picture. Sorry if it's not clear enough. I'm not particularly fond of slithering creatures, but it looked harmless enough, I suppose.


r/whatsthissnake • • 18h ago

ID Request [Houston, TX] Spotted in my yard

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Almost certain it’s non-venomous. Thinking Hognose? Would love to know. Thanks in advance!


r/whatsthissnake • • 7h ago

ID Request What is this wriggly thing? [Long Beach, CA]

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About 2-3 inches long, seen about 7:30pm


r/whatsthissnake • • 21h ago

ID Request [rural north Florida, USA] Was on the back gate, bounced off my leg when opened, and landed there. Oak snake ?

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Random highway reflectors for scale.


r/whatsthissnake • • 9h ago

ID Request [southern Laos, near Thakek]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 9h ago

ID Request [Brisbane, Queensland, Australia]

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I’m estimating about 60cm long, the head was already hidden before I saw it and took the photo. Looks like a lighter colour (yellow/green toned) underneath. Apologies for the poor quality shot. My guess is a green tree snake, but I’ve never seen one this dark. Thanks!


r/whatsthissnake • • 3h ago

ID Request Does anyone know what type of snake this is? - [Central Florida]

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I'm thinking maybe some kind of rat snake, but other than that, I have no clue. Just know he's a pretty baby.


r/whatsthissnake • • 14h ago

ID Request Identification?,[mid north coast Australia]

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About 30cm long I think maybe a rough scaled snake?


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request - Dead, Injured or Roadkilled Snake Snake just outside [Rome, Italy] Spoiler

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Person who was relocating it thought it was a colubrid because of the round pupils but I am almost certain this is an asp with dilated pupils from the low light


r/whatsthissnake • • 21h ago

ID Request We found this guy sunning himself on a rock by a river bed in [Central Texas Wimberly Area]

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Assuming its a watersnake or cottonmouth but thought I'd check!


r/whatsthissnake • • 18h ago

ID Request What’s this one, please? [USA, Florida]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request Is this this biggest rattle snake in North America ![Amelia island Florida]

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It was over six feet long and very thick. Could this be a record?


r/whatsthissnake • • 19h ago

ID Request [Rogers, AR] found on the number 6 tee box

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r/whatsthissnake • • 20h ago

ID Request Cat dragged this cutie into the house [north texas]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 13h ago

ID Request - Shed Skin Partial shed found under log [SE Oklahoma]

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I know a species ID probably isn't possible from what little I found, but I'm hoping it can be narrowed down a bit from just "snake".