Okay everyone it’s now Monday and we need to move onto the Panthers.

Let’s show Trey why the packers truly have the best fans in the world. We need Trey for the rest of the season and hopefully for the next 10 plus years. He’s a 23 year old and probably just had one of the worst days of his life. Over the next week let’s show Trey unconditional support and help him turn his season around. No booing, no harmful DM, hell let’s stop talking about the negatives on social media (he’s 23 and sees stuff on Reddit/twitter). Some people will say this sounds soft but the dude is living out his dream and looked completely defeated yesterday. We have the greatest fan base in the world and let’s show it.

Thursday let’s go crazy any chance we have for Trey, stop posting negative posts about him and show him support any way possible. Mason Crosby isn’t walking through the door and right now we need Trey as much as he needs us!

Go Pack Go!

Ya'll make us look bad a bunch of grown men whining giving everyone bulletin board material. Was is a shitty game with questionable calls? Yes. Do we usually get calls our way over the last 3 decades? Also yes.

Blocked or not we missed 2 kicks less than 35yds and we have dropped passes left and right. We win this game if we execute those things despite the shitty penalties. No excuses

I couldn’t even sleep. At least 4-5 terrible, game deciding calls were made yesterday. Is there anything that can be done? A petition for review? I have always refused to believe the “NFL is rigged” crowd but I am starting to change my mind. Is there anything recourse here? Thanks all-

This isn’t getting enough traction. Detroit O line running down the field on every positive run to “push” the pile and hit defenders from behind in the back and legs even after the runner is down. I know the NFL wants to be rugby but even in rugby there is a late tackle rule that is enforced within the contours of that game. And then to flag a player who tackles a player who is pushing for extra yards and getting off a tackle to run? NFL is a laughing stock. Or in the pockets of gambling industry. Probably both.

I really hate the decision to try to let the lions score at the two minute warning. With our time outs if we get a stop we’d have about 30 seconds to try to get a FG. This has happened twice this year already

If it was first and goal I’d say let them score. But they pretty much ice the game with a first down so it just doesn’t make sense to not play defense there especially since our D held up pretty well all day

Anyone calling this team bad is just defending this garbage product from the NFL. Most of you deserve this garbage.

We are the best fucking team in the league, we just need to focus. Jacobs is back, and once he’s primed he’ll be running over suckers like they’re trying to serve him a court notice. Smack will rebound and become the greatest kicker in the league, and Love will get the fucking reputation they he deserves. He is as good if not better than Rogers and it’s about damn time he gets that credit over that MAGA loving Pat McAfee showing mushroom nibbler.

Go Pack Go.

You know what's really unfortunate? There are so many good lines that go with our kicker's name. Things like "Did you see the way he was smackin 'em through the uprights?" Or "Damn, did you see the Lions get smacked with all them field goals?" But no. He's utter garbage. Dude couldn't kick his way out of a wet paper bag.

We need a new kicker right?

I don’t care who the bad calls are on. Whether it’s my team or the other team, I hate seeing it. It makes the game brutal to watch and the zebras should not be deciding the game, ever!
That being said, the Packers doomed themselves and probably would’ve lost this game, but because of the terrible calls, there will always be speculation

It always sucks to lose but there is several positives from yesterday. Josh Jacob’s is clearly still that dude, although he needs to get back up to game speed. Our defense has done a great job with missing key players. (yesterday we both our starting linebackers out). We had not one but two centers leave with injuries and a rookie with 0 NFL snaps only allowed one pressure. Jordan Love looks surgical in his throws. There is several balls this whole season that couldn’t be anymore perfect and they are just dropped. That has to been cleaned up and if it is we will start to score 30+ a game. The best part, our best defender has yet to play a snap this season. His return is still undetermined, but the bright side is our defense has looked good and getting him back will make a huge difference.

The more Packers games I watch the more I feel like I’m watching the WWE 🫠. We have been penalized 8 times for roughing the passer. We have got that call 0 times. In almost every single game we have been penalized almost double our opponent.

As always, GO PACK GO!

When they were still kicked from the two yard line. Just some relevant perspective.

EDIT: if every rookie who struggled listened to y'all there'd be way less good players in the league. Vinatieri's first 4 games: 5 missed FGs and 2 missed extra points from the 2.

Writing off a rookie after 7 games makes you a bad fan. If the Packers listened to overly emotional fans like this we'd have missed out on Davante Adams, Christian Watson, the last several good years of Crosby's career...​I could go on.

On the very off chance that Trey goes on reddit and sees this: I hope you can use this negativity as fuel

Again, you have to think of where we were at after week 3. I thought this team would be mediocre at best and win maybe 7 or 8 games after that abysmal home opener. 4 weeks later, and the packers have won 3 of 4 with their one loss being on the road against the lions in a game they absolutely could’ve won. It would’ve been different had we gotten blown out, but after losing to them by a walkoff field goal Detroit doesn’t scare me. Dan Campbell practically gifted us the game at the end and we couldn’t capitalize, Jacobs dropping a td and Smack missing a chip shot.

The defense has played really solid football the past 4 weeks despite all the injuries, holding teams to 20 points or less in 4 straight games. Jordan Love is playing at an elite level this year despite constantly being under pressure, having no run game, and Packer receivers leading the league in drops by a mile. The offensive line has slightly improved from historically bad to regular bad, who knows maybe in a few weeks they can be considered average if we shuffle the lineup around. Drops are another thing that can be fixed.

Division will be very hard to win now unfortunately, but even if we are a wildcard team the nfc looks wide open this year. The packers can go toe-to-toe with every team in the nfc.

Try to stay cautiously optimistic :)

To start off let me say I was frustrated as hell last night. (Probably going to have to take back what I said about being done with the NFL.) But here are the problems I saw, and why I'm optimistic anyway.

After the first few games, did anyone think we'd be above 500 going into week 8? That's enough to be happy about right there!

If you're playing a decent team, football requires you to be damn near perfect to win, and the pack lost (and damn near won!) on the culmination of little things. Yes, they have multiple small problems, but there is a lot to be optimistic about.

The refs screwed the Packers. A LOT! And they still almost won. We all saw it. And enough has been said about that in this subreddit.

What I will add is, MLF speaking out publicly against the refs will only put a bigger Target on the Pack's back. I get it, part of me wants to hear him rip them apart, but that's something you handle through the proper channels to the league and refs. And I think the players said just enough yesterday without going over the top. I respect the composure.

Jacobs makes the TD catch if he had been at practice the last 6 weeks. You could literally see him improving through the game.

Golden's hands will get better. Just look at Watson and how much he has improved. (By the way, The faster you are, The less time you have to secure the ball as you move.)

Smack needs to adjust his technique on short kicks. I'd way rather have a guy who needs to work on short kicks than long kicks.

Look at how much better the o-line is playing. Speaks for itself. (That's coaching by the way.) Shout out to John Williams for being a dog! No reason to think they won't keep improving.

Jordan Love is a beast and a role model. The guy is playing lights out, top five quarterback. You're getting hit like that all season and still totally composed? Role model. Absolute bad ass. Ask yourself, out of all the other top QBs, who is playing this well compared to the performance of their o-line?

One of the, if not the, best defensive players in the league comes back in a few weeks. With the way the rest of the defense is playing, I'd be scared to be an NFC North quarterback. Nearly picked off Goff a few times, and Goff does not throw interceptions.

I get it, we have justifiable reasons to be frustrated. But focusing on the negatives won't improve your life and it certainly won't improve the team. (And we can all still be happy with how they embarrassed Ben Johnson)

GO PACK GO!!!!

Yes the reffing was terrible. Yes Smack missed 2 inside of the 35. Yes we got screwed on a RTP and the kick by ARSB with that soft ass ref on his back

But if you’re Detroit, how do you address the fact that you needed:

A rookie Kicker to miss 2 statistically guaranteed kicks inside the 35
Matt to go for it inside the 10 instead of kicking it a third time
More dropped balls on perfectly placed passes
2 drive saving penalties
And a non call on the entire offense for egregious taunting

to win the game, by 3, at home, and need the entire clock to do it.

If i am Detroit I feel like we are barely scraping out of there alive.

If even one of those things goes properly we walk out with a win it seems like.

A lot of doom and gloom on the Monday after a loss. I don’t think it’s time to sink the ship.

Defense is playing well. We have shown up and shown out with turnovers and keeping points low. Offense has to get on the jugs machine. Micah will come back. Zietler may come in for Monk. We aren’t even halfway down the stretch and are above .500.

R E L A X

I remember watching the game and seeing the PI flag on Cisse's interception come very late and from off camera and it seemed super fishy. So I watched the All-22 of the play and realized that the ref that called the PI, didn't even start reaching for his flag until Cisse had made the interception. Almost as if, he wasn't going to call one then suddenly it was picked off and then decided to.

In the first photo I uploaded, Cisse had already made the break for the ball so apparently the PI had already occurred. The ref is at the top of the screen, by the pylon. A peculiar angle by the way to see Cisse's hand "turn" St Brown.

In the second photo, Cisse has made the INT and only then did the ref start reaching for the flag in his pocket.

Take this as you will, but it makes me wonder...

Thought y’all might find this interesting

Let me preface this by saying one thing: Don't put yourself in a position where the officials can determine the outcome of the game.

If you turn the ball over, miss assignments, fail in the red zone, blow coverages, or leave points on the field, that's on you. I believe good teams should overcome bad calls.

But that does not mean we should just shrug our shoulders when officiating is wildly inconsistent or flat out wrong.

And from a Packers perspective, this roughing the passer shit is getting ridiculous.

Green Bay has been called for roughing the passer 8 times in 7 games. Meanwhile, Jordan Love is one of the most hit quarterbacks in the league and has drawn zero.

Zero.

How does that make any sense? Either something is roughing the passer or it isn't. Either a hit is illegal or it isn't. The standard shouldn't change depending on which quarterback is getting hit, which jersey he's wearing, or which officiating crew happens to be working that game.

And before somebody says, "This is just Packers fans complaining about the refs," it isn't. Look around the league.

The Rams had a game-ending interception against Denver wiped out by DPI. Denver went on to win, and afterward the NFL told Sean McVay the flag shouldn't have been thrown.

Cool. Does that put the win back in the standings?

Then Cowboys-Bucs had a penalty where Tampa Bay was flagged for illegal hands to the face when the Dallas player was actually the one committing the foul. The league later admitted they penalized the wrong team.

And in Week 4, not one but two NFL officials were suspended for conduct toward players. When the hell was the last time that happened?

College football might somehow be even worse.

This season we've already had:

• Notre Dame apparently losing a second off the clock against BYU.
• Tennessee recovering an onside kick that officiating analysts said wasn't legally executed.
• Oregon getting the wrong ball placement on a two-point conversion.
• A huge late no-call in Georgia-Alabama.
• Western Michigan thinking it had beaten Michigan, only for officials to put another second back on the clock and for Michigan to win on the next play.

At some point, "refs are human" stops being a sufficient explanation.

These aren't meaningless calls in the second quarter.

These are calls that erase turnovers, extend drives, create scoring opportunities, alter field position, change clocks, and sometimes directly affect who wins.

And then there's the part nobody wants to talk about without getting labeled a conspiracy theorist: gambling.

Sports betting has exploded over roughly the same period that officiating seems to have become more inconsistent and more influential.

Does that prove games are rigged? No. But when leagues and broadcasters are partnered with sportsbooks, gambling is pushed constantly during broadcasts, billions of dollars are riding on games, and we're simultaneously watching game changing officiating mistakes every week...

How exactly are fans supposed to not start questioning the integrity of the product?

Maybe nothing is rigged.

Maybe it's just incompetence, inconsistent crews, overly complicated rules, and way too much judgment built into the rulebook.

But the leagues are asking fans to place an enormous amount of trust in a system that keeps giving them reasons not to trust it.

And again, none of this absolves Green Bay. Don't leave the game in the officials hands.

But that also doesn't mean fans should have to accept officiating where nobody seems to know what roughing is from one play to the next. Or what constitutes taunting from one week to the next.

The Monday apology doesn't mean shit. You don't get to fix the standings on Tuesday.

I just want to watch two teams decide who wins. Not three.

I think of 10-6, 15-1 and where those seasons ended up. Of course, different time, different coach, different league but this loss to the Lions is reminiscent of a few games during 2010.

By week 6 in 2010, 3-3 and having lost those games by 3 points, two in OT with plenty left on the field. Later, a 3 point loss to the Falcons and we all know what happened in the divisional round.

In 2011, the bottom fell out in one game vs the Giants despite looking to most people that a repeat was the likely conclusion.

This Lions game should be a treasure trove of analysis and fixes, coaches and players alike. Forget the calls, there is a lot of learning.

I hope we dont see a repeat of this performance. Oline aside, there isnt a glaring weakness in this team except for inactives/injury and mistakes.

I'm in r-e-l-a-x mode, for now.

I’m a diehard Vikings fan, and generally don’t come in peace. With that said you guys are getting fucked over in ways I couldn’t fathom as recently as last year. I don’t get it. I’ve watched nearly every pack game this year. In week 1, I remember thinking we got at least 75% of calls that game and it sticking out as odd. We had several drives get extended by Ticky Tack calls (lord knows this offense needed them to function, too)

Then I watched the next week when you guys got all these phantom calls against you again. Then last week with the phantom RTP call(s). So many drive-extending calls against Green Bay. This week against the lions was a masterclass on one-sided officiating. What the hell, man? ANOTHER phantom roughing the passer call? What’s with the jumping offsides Lions dances? I started laughing because I figured they’d get called for team celebration and they’d pull a Lions and miss the FG by taking the neutral zone infraction, then moving back 15. But nope. All good, I guess!

I don’t mind seeing you lose, but not like this.

I’m not saying anything you all aren’t also screaming about, but it’s not just been one or two games, and it’s not getting better or regressing to the mean. This year’s NFC North is awesome and I don’t want it spoiled by weird officiating.

Since Mason Crosby left the Packers, we have lossed all of these games in part due to our kickers being ass

Week 5 of 2023 at Raiders- Anders Carlson misses a extra point. Packers lose 17-13 and cannot have a game tying FG down late.

Week 7 of 2023 at Broncos- Anders Carlson misses a field goal. The Packers lose by 2 points. 19-17.

Week 10 of 2023 at Steelers- Anders Carlson misses an extra point. Packers lose 23-19 and again cannot have a game tying FG down in the redzone late. They must try a desperation pass to the endzone instead.

Week 14 of 2023 at Giants- Anders Carlson misses a field goal. The Packers lose by 2 points. 24-22.

Divisional Round of 2023 at Niners- Anders Carlson misses a field goal. The Packers lose by a field goal. 24-21.

Week 4 of 2024 vs Vikings- Brayden Narveson misses 2 field goals. The Packers lose by 2 points. 31-29.

Week 3 of 2025 at Browns- Brandon McManus misses a field goal. The Packers lose by a field goal. 13-10.

Week 9 of 2025 vs Panthers- Brandon McManus misses a field goal. The Packers lose by a field goal. 16-13.

Week 10 of 2025 vs Eagles (fringe case it was a desperation 64 yarder at the end of the game)- Brandon McManus misses a field goal. The Packers lose by a field goal. 10-7.

Wild Card Round of 2025 vs Bears- Brandon McManus misses 2 field goals and an extra point. The Packers lose by 4 points. 31-27.

Week 7 of 2026 vs Lions- Trey Smack misses 2 field goals. The Packers lose by a field goal. 20-17.

That's 11 losses in 3 years caused in part by how ass our kicking is, by the way.