Hello everyone!

Me and my colleague Claude built a simulation of the P3/P4 fight of Ocellus for OSRS in a new custom unity project that supports multiplayer. Check out the video above.

There are many sims, but this one is mine. It allows custom gear setups, custom flags to disable mechanics that hurt learning (turn off void bind if soloing), and most importantly can support other player(s).

It plays extremely similar to the original game, and in my opinion, feels closest to 1-1 parity versus other sims due to the game engine involved over the javascript creations online (which are fantastic by the way).

I had some questions and am asking for some feedback as well.

Is this sort of thing considered okay by Jagex? There are other sims online for other bosses.

AI allows this sort of thing to be built in record time (built in a single day), this means it can be recreated for all content going forward, does Jagex see this as a problem? For the record this project is not to be distributed for the means of profit and of course, is a private training tool, which is labelled in the application.

Does this sort of thing interest people? Using this tool you can test your skills against Ocellus as if you had the gear and time to actually get to the fight itself if your account is not yet progressed to that point. I wonder if this sort of thing would give players confidence to think "Hey this is totally doable, we should try the raid!".

Multiplayer support runs on Unitys Multiplayer Architecture, nothing custom really, so ideally its quite safe.

I would not release the project to anyone without open sourcing the repository online. Main reason being it gives power to the users to feel comfortable looking through to identify that the project is safe. It would be easy to have your own agent go through the project.

I'll stop rambling. Let me know what you think or have any questions!

EDIT:

Hey everyone sorry for the absence. Unfortunately, the message is loud and clear based on feedback and messages received. I don't think its responsible releasing this tool.

I am not comfortable hosting this tool myself, its completely forbidden by Jagex to do so and isnt wanted.

If I were to give access to the unity build, The only responsible way for security for the users is to also release the repository, due to the fact that its an actual .EXE file, which is completely irresponsible. The repository has everything you would need to do things like:

Completely recreate awakened bosses in little time

Create new content for existing content in the game

Create tools that allow practice in areas like Theatre of blood with full room selection

I believe that a training tool for a new existing boss is probably in the grey area, but realistically, especially the awakened boss example, could have a legitimate effect on the in game economy in any small way, in which I wouldn't be comfortable being responsible for and opening the flood gates to. Apologies for getting anyones hopes up, genuinely I know it was a dick head move.

It sucks putting in work even for a short time and utilizing coding agents to get something working like this and not release it. Genuinely this version of OSRS simulation feels the most like the game than any other I have tried. If any J mods disagree with my stance for some reason and feel as though they don't think its a big deal I am open to discussion; otherwise I think its too harmful, again I apologize.

The good news is that the practice tool is out next week and if you have seen ocellus even once you will get the chance to practice there. There are P4 sims out there, if you can do P4 you can do P3 no question. Good luck with the completions.

I feel like we’ve all been talking about how underwhelming the Obligator looks for a mega rare, but honestly, the name is just as bad.

“Obligator” sounds like a placeholder name that somehow made it through development. It doesn’t sound iconic, intimidating, or remotely on the same level as the Twisted Bow, Scythe of Vitur, or Tumeken’s Shadow.

This is supposed to be a mega rare from one of the hardest pieces of content in the game. The name should feel legendary.

Some alternative listed below:

Ocellus’s Flail
Ocellus’s Bane
The Eldritch Flail

I’m not saying these are necessarily perfect, but I think all three would be a massive improvement over “Obligator.”

Anyone else feel the same? Any other recommendations?

Any time I see a post complaining about learner ffas or the problems raiding with randoms, I see a major self-report.

RuneScape is an MMORPG, or Massive **MULTIPLAYER** Online Role Playing Game. And you’re telling me you don’t have **anyone** who will join you on the newest end game content?

It is so easy to find cool clans, get to know people, and socialize. And if you actually embrace the social side, you’ll unlock something far more valuable than a gear upgrade: friends.

Friends get joy from helping others succeed. If you’re the better player, it’s fun to watch your friends get wrecked, and it’s rewarding to watch them grow. If you’re the worse player, you have someone you can trust and help you who isn’t worried about the gp per hour they’re losing.

As an example, I’m a dogshit player with a cheese cape and yet I have KCs in every raid. I’m even getting to the point where I can get loot and am working towards a deathless raid.

I‘m not invited to TFA because I’m bringing the profitability up. My “value” to the friends carrying me is that I make more fun and enjoyable for them. And because I have legitimate friends, they get “value“ in seeing me progress and learn.

If you played the game socially for the last year, made real connections with real people, and worked yourself into a supportive community, you wouldn’t have problems finding teams today.

If you played as a hermit, treated clan-mates as a means to an end, and thought of random player encounters as an inconvenience, you’re screwed. You’ll have nobody who has a reason to negatively impact their first week progress to help you. If that stops you from experiencing raids 4 on release, that was your shortcoming, not the games.

A grouping system won’t fix this. Why would someone with 50 deathless KC nerf their own GP per hour taking on someone new? They clearly have a working party of friends so they’ll just continue raiding with their friends. The only people you’ll find in that grouping system are other transactional players with no other options.

If you’re in that boat of having no friends, Jagex can’t bail you out. You need to embrace the multiplayer aspect of the game. Talk to others. Bring something to the table. Have fun with clanmates, even when it’s not personally beneficial. Hell, just be present and nice.

It might not help you get a TFA team together, but when the next group boss comes out, you’ll at least have a team on release day.

I don't want to dwelve to deep but, around covid time i started developing mental health issues nothing too deep, was a struggle with panic attacks, anxiety and agoraphobia, in short, it was rough but i always found a sense of escapism when it came to osrs.

I felt like my whole life was on pause except in runescape where i did progress, i guess that gave me dopamine. And a sense of accomplishment.

I even maxed my account, now that I've gained some control thankfully over my life and sorted out my mental health, not saying its perfect but heck of better than it was before.

I just can't stop thinking that I've put around 4k hours into the game.

I'm not saying you should feel bad about it, if you enjoy the game and have fun heck who cares. But I just feel that I wouldnt put that time if i was feeling good outside of gaming.

I'm just thinking how I should accept the fact that I've put so many hours into the game of my life, now that it hasnt really given me anything in my real life?

Dont get me wrong, i love the game. But I just wish i had a more healthy relationship with it.

Perhaps the key is to just log in and play when you really feel like doing so.

Whats your take? Do anyone else relate?

This is a great game. I’m happy we have the dev team that we do and that we as players decide the general direction of the game, in a lot of ways this is pretty unique.

But almost £100 annually for a single character in a 25+ year old game is borderline ridiculous. Everything has gone up I get that, but since we’re making Jagex accounts mandatory at least let us have multiple characters on the same sub; I’d even be happy with two characters.

Let us login to osrs and rs3 at the same time. Myself and many others won’t take time out of osrs to play rs3, but I’d definitely start a little Ironman up if I could afk on my main in old school, heck I might even like it enough and decide it’s worth more of my time.

It’s a small price to pay, but it will pay off in the long run for the longevity of both games. As it stands I won’t sub more than 1 account out of 4 and I’m certainly going nowhere near Rs3.

I’ve been on my tank for 11 months now and I want to get my firecape done but I don’t know where to start as far as finding a guide and gear selection. Any suggestions?

How good is this gear setup for raids 4? Death cost is only 15k before 5kc!

And I am really happy that it is group content. The game has enough solo content. Some content needs to be gate kept honestly to keep value of the uniques high. It’s no wonder toa drops are dirt cheap and it’s barely a viable money maker now. I did my first 5 tob learner kc recently and I will eventually get into tfa with a group as well.

Trying to start this raid not even a week late is already cripplingly horrid. People having KC reqs already and not taking learners is just putting me off this raid immediately.

Practice mode should be released ASAP to give people who were "late" (I cant believe not even a week out can be considered late, but thats how it seems now) a fighting chance to learn this content.

Scythe was quite useless outside of ToB for years in that period and the shadow is experiencing the same effect currently, it is very cheap sitting at 650m the cheapest of the mega rares and normal spell book fire spells outshine it at a lot of places outside of ToA, i’m not saying it needs a buff but it needs more use cases to be considered a nice mega rare again, when i think of mage i think of a glass cannon that does a lot of damage but takes a lot with zero defenses

ive seen SO MANY youtube clips and post saying, "oh if you think the raid is to easy ur just elitist and you dont understand that most people are struggling and ur a bad person" YET there are even more ppl with MAX GEAR AND MAX STATS going "yeh the raid is way to hard so since you dont have a ralos and 7bil in gear we cant take you"

i have 50kc and been playing with my buddys who cant even do inferno or colo and they do tfa deathless. idk maybe im in the wrong for telling ppl hey its not that hard go try the raid. and i should go hop on the bandwagon and tell those people its to hard for them without letting them try cause apparently thats more acceptable.

every fractured archive group i see does the exact same bosses as one another. they only do bork, jelly, and demon. its like they completely forgot there is a choice for every tier.

i think its really strange that virtually every group does the same bosses. why is that? nobody is even giving the other 3 bosses a chance

I have the gear for CoX and ToB (BGS/DWH, lance, nally, elite void, bp etc) and I want to start learning them.

I don’t have any friends who are even close to this level of content and if they are, they don’t PvM they just skill all day instead working on max so they don’t have any gear.

The WDR discord does not allow irons to learn, they don’t allow learner FFAs and if you ask their solution is ‘deiron’ and they are just toxic to irons

The advice is to ‘find a clan’ but the OSRS discord is just 100 dead channels all with egregiously AI pictures advertising them and i just don’t know how to find an actually decent one where people raid every day and do FFA and help learners, it seems like a unicorn

I have 50kc in CoX but it was a few years ago and I have very severe anxiety and I just don’t want to make mistakes and let people down in a real raid so I prefer being a learner

I’ve pugged 10 thousand m+ and raid in wow with no issue but for some reason it feels 1000x more daunting in Osrs

I don’t want to green log CoX 5 times so I can finally afford to keep a tbow for myself instead of splitting it

Surely there’s other people who have been in similar situations? How did you learn CoX/ToB/TFA?

Worth it? Absolutely.

Now I just need to remember what sunlight looks like.

What skill are you currently suffering through? 😂

might look silly but makes it more braindead than agility already is, and more chill..

Farming has always been my least favorite skill because of the Dailyscape aspect of it. This is an idea of a fun and active way to train farming, while also teaching players the 5t timing of some weapons.

Activity

In Tlati Rainforest, there is an NPC that wants you to harvest rare Vine Flowers. He gives you a 5t Scythe to harvest the flowers (Scythe of Vitur also works in this minigame without using charges). The flowers spawn in the center of a vine arena and randomly appear for 5t before they despawn. You have to run around the arena and click the flowers before they despawn. The arena also changes. Vine Walls randomly split the arena every 20s and last 20s. You can either stay in your limited area of the arena or equip Vine Claws and use the special attack to destroy the Vine Wall. Most flowers are white and there is a 25% chance for a purple flower to spawn for 2x xp and 2x reward points. There is also a 1/1000 spawn chance of a red flower with a special reward. This minigame can also be played with other players in order to help destroy Vine Walls (You can't see other players' flowers).

Rewards

125-150k farming xp/hr

1. Vine Claws- These claws instantly kill Vine Walls with 25% special attack energy.
2. Agile Boots- These boots give you infinite run energy during the minigame. They also serve as graceful boots and have the same stats and effects.
3. Sappling Create- Finally! Put all your sapplings in one inventory slot during your tree runs! just use the create on a tree patch and it will use the highest level sappling for that patch and plant it.
4. Hyper Fertile Scroll- Use this scroll to upgrade Fertile Soil spell from Lunars to Hyper Fertile Soil. This upgraded spell gives 100% protection for any patch!
5. Vine Whip Cosmetic- the 1/1000 red flower will trade for a spiky green Vine Whip, which is a cosmetic weapon that can hit other players like the rubber chicken.
6. Herb Boxes
7. Best active method for Tangleroot pet!

TFA was the first raid I got to experience on day one, and it was a great experience.
For context, here are my raid KC’s:
TFA: 75
ToB: 5
CoX: 3
ToA: 200

I have a CC and no problem finding a group. This post is to help the future of this raid and I promise it will turn to TOB within a year. Please bookmark this and I will for sure follow up when I’m right.

TFA is already being gatekept by KC and experience requirements. I’m fortunate enough to have a CC and have found a consistent group to raid with, but not everyone has that luxury.

If you try to get into this raid a few months from now, I can see it becoming the same situation as ToB, where finding a party takes longer than actually completing the raid. Also where fire capers with over 100kc will not allow inferno/Blorva players with less KC in their party.
It’s the same as graduating from school with no job experience and the entry-level job says 2 years experience.

There is nothing stopping Jagex from making TFA scale to solo. The mechanics already work in a solo environment, so why not give players the option to experience the raid however they want? You shouldn’t have to join Discord servers (discord also sometimes has scam links and other stuff people have fallen for and have posted on this subreddit), find a CC, or sit around hoping someone will accept you into their party just to play the content.

Some of the hardest content in the game is already soloable, including the Inferno, Colosseum, Radiant Oathplate, and Blood Torva.

People argue that making a raid soloable means the mechanics have to suffer, but I don’t think that’s true. TFA already has great mechanics and can be completed solo. All I’m asking is for Jagex to introduce proper solo scaling as an option for players who want to experience the raid on their own. Or those who can’t find other / others don’t wanna raid at the time.

Also soloing current group content gives you better chances at loot:
Solo Yama = Better Chance at Loot
Solo Royal Titan = Better Chance at Loot
High Invo Solo TOA = better chance at Loot
Solo CM Cox (Cox a raid content with CA’s that involve solo content) = better chance at loot
Solo TOB (doable but hard) = better chance at Loot
Solo TFA = better chance at loot.

So solo is harder meaning you get a better chance at the unique. If solo content is the hardest content why is playing in a group more punishing? How does this incentivize group play if solo is harder and more rewarding?

This isn’t about removing group raiding or making the content easier. You still have to learn the raid, do the raid and be good enough. It’s about giving players more freedom in how they choose to play the game.

A while back, someone on the internet posted a video of a bean soup recipe. One of the top comments was "What if I don't like beans?".

This became known as the Bean Soup Theory. It's the inability to realize that not everything is creating for specifically you.

Please don't change things too drastically.

I imagine there's some displeasure that 99% of raids are taking the bork/dreadnoth/xarth path. After all, you want all the content to be used and enjoyed.

This path is taken because it is the first that was learned and became meta. Please give it more time before you make the right side worse or left side easier.

I'm rocking full Rune, rune scimitar, and amulet of power. Skills are, 50 attack, 46 defence, 46 strength, 45 hit points. Currently xp tracker is estimating 48hrs for attack level up, 4hrs for defence, 28hrs for strength.

Granted I am using controlled fighting stance, and there is a level of grinding in the game especially for this afk-able method but just wanted to check I'm not missing anything, for a single level up this seems like quite a high wait.

Edit: thanks guys was reading 48:05 as 48 hrs rather than minutes. Also noted on the controller stance. I've swapped the strength for a bit - should be 60 strength by the time I've finished work!

Had an idea while grinding the Mad Angel and it would be cool to add an unlock in the game where you can unlock a toggle to refill not full potions from item drops on the ground. Basically it would similarly to picking up arrows directly into your quiver after talking to the ranging tutor in Lumbridge. Let me know if somehow this is already thing and I somehow missed it, if you think it would be cool thing to add to the game, and where it would unlock such as a quest or minigame reward.

I was told that there would be money in this raid? Can someone tell me where to find it?

They are already eclipsed.

Venators do not even drop a bolt equivalent, only d darts and d arrows. The current best source of d bolts is killing muspah 23 times for 80 bolts